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And Folkfest goes corporate...
| Message Board > Music Chitchat - General ( Indie, Jazz, World, Electronic etc.) > And Folkfest goes corporate... |
| _Griphin_ User Info... | By installing blue fencing on Wark street so you can't fall off Wharf st (and it's solid plywood boarding, so you can't see anything). According to what I just saw on Ch-News, there doing it so people won't fall off Wharf street. Fine, BUT why couldn't they put holes in the blue board and put wire mesh over the holes so you can't accidently fall thru it?!? They were thinking about people's safety, but why block out the view?!? It's like the tall ships coming into town and they erect large boards so ya can't see the ships for safety reasons of course (and the best view for the ships was on Fort street, where it meets with Wharf, right by the bus stop, those ships looked awesome as they were sailing into port IMO). Thumbs up to the organizers for not thinking properly!!! BTW: Could someone explain to me how many people have fallen off Wharf street during Folk Fest?!? - Wed, 28 Jun 2006 5:09pm Edited: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 5:22pm | ||
| You Enjoy Myself User Info... | I'm pretty sure it was the same last year... I don't really see an issue with it. If people wanna SEE the bands, then they can stand in all of the horrible lineups and pay the money, like I plan to. - Wed, 28 Jun 2006 5:59pm | ||
| Peter Gardner User Info... | Yes, how dare they try and make people actually pay for all the work they do. - Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:17pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | People do, look it's not like FolkFest has weak crowds, cause there always selling out. Folkfest sells out, cause they have some strong talent playing (like K-OS, for instance), just add mesh to the wood, it's not like it'll cost them extra to do. For instance, look at RAP, after awhile they gunned all the wood around the field, it looks better IMO. - Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:21pm Edited: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:22pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Wait. And this magic plywood block sound? Christ, they're doing some amazing things with soundproofing these days. - Thu, 29 Jun 2006 1:28am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | People falling off Wharf street is just mother nature's natural selection. Stupid people fall off Wharf st, die, and therfor don't breed. Let em fall I say. Weed out the weak links. BTW I agree with Phil about R.A.P., way better. Cmon blue plywood wall in the heart of tourist trapland, how classy. - Thu, 29 Jun 2006 1:54am | ||
| You Enjoy Myself User Info... | Yeah, a blue wall that extends for a half block (if even that) for 2 weeks during the summer. How damaging to Victoria's tourism industry that must be.... I mean, it's such a big deal. (read with extreme sarcasm) - Thu, 29 Jun 2006 5:38pm | ||
| zakco User Info... | Yeah. How dare they expect to recoup their investment or....gawd ferbid, turn a profit, souless corporate criminals that they are. Especially since all the artists are performing for nothing. -Z- - Sat, 1 Jul 2006 4:29pm Edited: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 4:30pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | *chuckle* guess what came down today?!? And guess what looks better? Yes, how dare they make the surroundings look like shit with that ugly board when they could of used similar fencing like they have close to the old Romeo's on Blanschard. *grin* - Sat, 1 Jul 2006 5:22pm Edited: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:18am | ||
| a-mac User Info... | The reality is that they are required to put up the fencing in order to a) ensure that no one fall off and b) ensure that people actually pay to see the mainstage shows at FolkFest. Think about it... if anyone could stand on the street and watch a show, what would prompt them to actually buy a ticket? Then you get even more people standing on the street watching, thereby increasing the chances of someone falling. Last year at the K-os show it was fucking scary up there. People were pushing and shoving to try and get some sort of view. Imagine if there were no fences... - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 5:08pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yes, I know, but they could of put up fencing you could of seen thru (such as what they have next to the old Romeo's) but no, they put up ugly blue board, so it makes you think. The police stated that if Wharf street gets as bad as it did last year they'll close off Wharf street. See if they had put up see thru fencing, I betcha noone would of bitched. - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 6:46pm Edited: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 6:47pm | ||
| a-mac User Info... | Yes, but like I said... what would motivate people to buy tickets if they could watch and listen for free? This argument is similar to the people who complained about the big fences at Woodstock '94 (I think). At the original Woodstock, the promoters lost all their money because people just ended up walking in for free. - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 8:15pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Those plywood barriers aren't there any longer. - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:07pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | huzzah! tear down the wall! - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:18pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I dunno, the same reason they felt motivated in the past to not grab a free show and buy tickets?!? - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:22pm Edited: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:23pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | yup, it's see-through fencing now. i bought a pass, tho - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:33pm | ||
| XY-? User Info... |  This argument is similar to the people who complained about the big fences at Woodstock '94 (I think). At the original Woodstock, the promoters lost all their money because people just ended up walking in for free. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you for real ? How can you compare Woodstock to freaking Victoria folk fest ? Meh ! This was always FREE in the past , but the last few years it’s become big money and not for the average locals . Why would any local person buy a ticket to a over priced folk fest that's , Too crowded , too expensive, too exclusionary , And out of control ? This used to be put on BY and FOR our local community celebration, not to bring big acts in for fucking tourists/ cruise ships and just moved here baby boomers . You really think that the ICA organization is not making money ? Pfft . And now they've expanded (back) into Centennial square and they talk like it's a new idea . It’s not , just another fence erected to jam out the locals . IT WAS ALWAYS at Centennial Square in the past . And Highlighted local dance/music/ethnic foods of our multicultural city . I remember the old Community Folk fest and it was low keyed and a great place to spend a few hours with the family . Filled with Local entertainment . Now it's become this unstoppable juggernaut that soon will envelope every nook and cranny that Jazz fest hasn't already sucked up . Try going down see the fire works for Canada day, good luck. Nice to see all the rich tourist celebrate OUR Canada day and OUR Folk fest ! And ta boot , all the money for the small firework shows around the out skirts, have now gone into the Victoria one . We went to Esq. lagoon and had a fire (hundreds did) and watched across the water and trust me it isn’t a great vantage point . I hope the tourists appreciated the show and our hostility. And Victoria and our business community downtown made lots of money . Maybe they’ll clean up the sis pool our down town has become in the last few years . I watch people shooting up right in front of my family , more shopping carts being pushed around then a thriftys parking lot . I’ve been working in the area from the Johnson street bridge and the Arena for a year and it boggles the mind the lack of police and the abundance of criminal cracked out/meth addicts wandering around . Oh the do have people pushing biohazard trash cans with carts picking up needles like that SCOOPY DOO dog shit removal company ( I have to be careful all the time working down there)….. But I’ll get hassled for drinking a beer on a beach with my family . Maybe throw a couple a bucks out there so the folks who actually live and go downtown ( Me being one of them) can feel safe after the tourists have spent their bucks and waved goodbye ? Rant over . But here’s some questions for ICA Folk fest . Who are the people involved (ICA)and are they connected with the business community downtown ? If it’s run by volunteers, then how much does the ICA take in from the gates/venders/etc. ? Where does the money go ? Are they contributing to the Canada Day celebrations ? How much money do they put into local policing ? How many local acts are performing and do local acts take priority over out of town ones? If the Jazz fest can put free shows on ( Market square) and survive , why is folk fest having problems ? Who makes the decision on how big Folk fest should get ? Are they paying the city for the use of spaces involved with said Folk fest and how much/where does it go? How many tickets do they sell or is there a cut off number ? If this is truly a folk fest , why are Rap acts and mainstream groups involved ? Are ALL ethnic communities of Victoria allowed to participate ? ..and Are they informed or given notice via news paper/ radio / mail outs etc.? How is a director chosen to oversee these events ? What are their goals ? Cheers Lance - Mon, 3 Jul 2006 3:46pm Edited: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 3:49pm | ||
| aidan knight! User Info... | i think performers should get paid, and they do at folkfest. folkfest requires more money than in the past because they bring in acts that require money, and in order to make the event run smoothly.. well, that means staff. As a volunteer, i thought it was pretty good working a few shifts, getting free admission and a meal. I worked for that, so that i could see musical acts and so that they, in turn, would perform. i believe that the budget is broken down in the folk fest flyer (which is a large cost, and totally free) so that might answer some of your budgeting questions. anyone going to see neko case tonight? - Mon, 3 Jul 2006 8:04pm Edited: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 8:05pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | XY-? posts: Are you for real ? How can you compare Woodstock to freaking Victoria folk fest ? Meh ! ...all we are saying, is give peace a chance!!! - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:18am | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | that was quite a bs rant, lance. it is $20 for the whole week and a half of folkfest. that is as cheap as it comes. it is absolutely not "exclusionary" in the least. if you don't like crowds, stay home! - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 2:47am | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... | Cheap compared to what ? Free ? - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:48am Edited: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:49am | ||
| Gare User Info... | have you ever put on a show? - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:14am | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | cheap as in what you would pay to see any of the headlining acts individually, for one thing. cheap as in the cost of entertainment, for another. if i wanted to see neko, sam roberts, etc., on their own i'd have to pay MORE THAN $20. seems like a deal to me.... - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:51pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | And, fucking seriously, I don't get it when people complain about things being both a: exclusionary and b: too crowded. If the crowd is a problem, evidently you're not excluding enough people. Or, conversely, if you want to be inclusive, that's going to involve having lots of people around. - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 6:28pm | ||
| ching User Info... | Knife them with your words you ghost. - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 6:33pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Fuck off, ching, I bet you like jazz. - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 6:54pm | ||
| ching User Info... |  Carefull or I will conjur up a Jazz confusion cloud that will make all you folkies cry for the the sunny side. - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 7:11pm | ||
| congamike User Info... | Well l just got back from playing the main stage at folkfest and all i got to say is fuck yeah!!! It is so cool to play with a set up like that after all the bar gigs. As a drummer i can rarely hear what is going on but not today. We did not get paid (like last year)and they would not lets up bring in a few friends (like last year) and they gave us not beer (like last year) but the chance to play a real stage is so worth it. peace - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 8:11pm Edited: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 8:14pm | ||
| laprider User Info... | well I think Lance was taken out of context! AS an older fellow, i too can remeber FOLKFEST, it was NEVER about music...the last ten years have seen a shift towards less of a folkfest and more of a concert series. Now as I have played the mainstage at Folkfest, worked at folkfest and rented them loads of gear, I do support both The original Folkfest idea and the newer concert series...I believe though that the two need to become seperate things. As a single parent I took my daughter to folkfests kidzone last year, well it was 5 bux and totally lame, no good activities or nothing..so here are my issues. Centinial square stage used to be open to local performance groups free of charge through the summer when not in use, this allowed virtually every community group to perfrom there...well with it fenced off for open air this no longer happens,, in fact there is now a pretty hefty charge for local user groups...that IS WRONG its our public square! Again I believe that some how the Folkfest and Concerts must seperate, the Folkfest could coincide but it seems like the focus has switched to big acts which is cool, and the price is right, maybe a bigger venue or a change in the layout of the venue and more stages or something.. JUST MY OPINIONS - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:02pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Well, with the Victoria Songwriter's Guild generating some interest, might it be possible to take the original FolkFest model and recreate it? Finding public space is an issue, but could it work in, say, downtown Fernwood? - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 2:47pm | ||
| laprider User Info... | Its tough, Like I said..I very much enjoyed the old model, locals friendly Folkfest...and I do enjoy the new "concert series" folkfest. Its a tough one, a bigger space might help...I guess my big beef is with the way centennial square is run...maybe Folkfest could continue at Ships Point and focus on Becoming a serious music event and Centenial square could return to its roots and become a summer round smaller venue that is open and user friendly to local user groups at little or no cost. If I knew the answers I would have started a replacement for Rootsfest! - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 3:26pm Edited: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 3:27pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Meh. They should call it JokeFest. There are no "popular" headliners that I would want to see. I prefer the unknown, obscure type stuff. Large groups of percussionists raising hell on stage. That is what it's all about for me and there isn't enough of that kind of entertainment for my picky ears. Sam Roberts is more limp than Aaron Clark in a room full of hookers. Also, the crowds are annoying. Slow walking fuckheads everywhere. The food is as good as any ethnic restaurant in town and about the same price. The only thing worth going for is langoes, and the line-up for that is retarded. The booths of shitty trinkets are worthless. The last thing I want to do is pay to browse crappy shit that I'll never buy. These are the reasons I don't go to FolkFest anymore...that and the $20 to get in. They can raise the price and justify it to high heaven, but I still won't be going. Everyone else can fill their boots. - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 4:00pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I wanted to check out the food area of FolkFest, but can I afford $7.50?!? Yes, I know there doing free admission lunch hours, at least according to Chek-6 news they are. - Thu, 6 Jul 2006 1:04am | ||
| You Enjoy Myself User Info... | "I wanted to check out the food area of FolkFest, but can I afford $7.50?!? Yes, I know there doing free admission lunch hours, at least according to Chek-6 news they are." So......what's the problem then? Or are you just looking for a gripe again. - Thu, 6 Jul 2006 5:59am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Dunno, I'm not in a gripe mood. So, what's your problem? *chuckle* Cause I can ignore your silly scribblings. If it wasn't for people like me asking questions, that blue eyesore would of stayed there, right?!? Oh I'm sorry, did I annoy you? *grin* - Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:16am Edited: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:51am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | I tend to agree with Laprider. They should separate the food faire from the actual music stages, or keep the smaller acts in the same area as the food faire. - Thu, 6 Jul 2006 1:02pm | ||
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